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Question about incremental backup behaviour

HughG_TMVSE

Hi JFrog guys,

 

I have a question about the behaviour of the "Incremental" option for backups, described at http://www.jfrog.com/confluence/display/RTF/Managing+Backups.  I had assumed that "incremental" meant the same sort of thing as incremental backups generally do (to me): each run just adds all the new files which have appeared since the previous run.

 

In particular, I would expect that

·         files which were added and then deleted between backups would not be backed up; and

·         nothing would ever be deleted from the incremental backup area.

 

Evidence from our server over the last few days suggests I'm misunderstanding.  On Friday, an error was made in an automated build script such that an integration repo on our main Artifactory server filled up the filestore over the weekend.  Yesterday I was on holiday but logs and discussions tell me that, in the evening, the job was fixed and lots of unneeded builds were deleted.  So far, so good.

 

However, free space on our backup drive jumped up when the next backup run happened.  The other admins confirm that they didn't change anything (e.g., delete files from the backup disk), and our IT department didn't unexpectedly increase the disk size on our VM.

 

So, the only explanation which makes sense to me is that "incremental backup" actually means that Artifactory produces a backup which just contains the current day's state, but does so by doing an incremental change since the previous backup: all newly-added files are added to the backup, and all deleted files are deleted from the backup.  If so, that's a surprise to me – that's not what I expect "incremental backup" to mean.  If others agree, maybe the documentation needs to be clearer.  If that's not the explanation, I'd love to know what is.  I've looked through logs but don't see any details about the backup process adding and removing files, just the number of "nodes" for each repo on each backup.

 

As it happens, we will have older backups, because our IT department backs up the entire VM on a roughly-logarithmically expiring basis.  But I had assumed that, since the "retention period" was inapplicable, everything was retained forever.  Am I wrong?

 

Regards,

 

Hugh Greene, Senior Software Developer
Toshiba Medical Visualization Systems Europe, Ltd
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Re: Question about incremental backup behaviour

HughG_TMVSE

Hi again, list and JFrog folks,

 

I never did get a response to this.  Can anyone (preferably from JFrog) confirm my understanding below?

 

Thanks,

 

Hugh Greene, Senior Software Developer
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From: Greene, Hugh [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 06 May 2014 13:33
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Subject: [Artifactory-users] Question about incremental backup behaviour

 

Hi JFrog guys,

 

I have a question about the behaviour of the "Incremental" option for backups, described at http://www.jfrog.com/confluence/display/RTF/Managing+Backups.  I had assumed that "incremental" meant the same sort of thing as incremental backups generally do (to me): each run just adds all the new files which have appeared since the previous run.

 

In particular, I would expect that

·         files which were added and then deleted between backups would not be backed up; and

·         nothing would ever be deleted from the incremental backup area.

 

Evidence from our server over the last few days suggests I'm misunderstanding.  On Friday, an error was made in an automated build script such that an integration repo on our main Artifactory server filled up the filestore over the weekend.  Yesterday I was on holiday but logs and discussions tell me that, in the evening, the job was fixed and lots of unneeded builds were deleted.  So far, so good.

 

However, free space on our backup drive jumped up when the next backup run happened.  The other admins confirm that they didn't change anything (e.g., delete files from the backup disk), and our IT department didn't unexpectedly increase the disk size on our VM.

 

So, the only explanation which makes sense to me is that "incremental backup" actually means that Artifactory produces a backup which just contains the current day's state, but does so by doing an incremental change since the previous backup: all newly-added files are added to the backup, and all deleted files are deleted from the backup.  If so, that's a surprise to me – that's not what I expect "incremental backup" to mean.  If others agree, maybe the documentation needs to be clearer.  If that's not the explanation, I'd love to know what is.  I've looked through logs but don't see any details about the backup process adding and removing files, just the number of "nodes" for each repo on each backup.

 

As it happens, we will have older backups, because our IT department backs up the entire VM on a roughly-logarithmically expiring basis.  But I had assumed that, since the "retention period" was inapplicable, everything was retained forever.  Am I wrong?

 

Regards,

 

Hugh Greene, Senior Software Developer
Toshiba Medical Visualization Systems Europe, Ltd
Bonnington Bond, 2 Anderson Place, Edinburgh EH6 5NP, UK
Tel + 44 (0)131 472 4792 / Fax + 44 (0) 131 472 4799
http://www.tmvse.com / [hidden email]

 

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Re: Question about incremental backup behaviour

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Hi Hugh,

The incremental backup, as you suspected, deletes artifacts that no longer exist in Artifactory from the backup folder.
A full backup, opposed to an incremental one, stays complete once it is finished, and the next full backup simply creates another backup, you can of course set it up to keep only a specified number of complete backups.

The recommended setup is to set-up at least one incremental backup job (usually a daily one) and one full backup (usually a weekly backup), if you set the full backup as weekly, we recommend setting the retention period hours to more than 168 hours (1 week), this way, the first backup will be kept intact, and when the second one finishes, the first one will still not be 168 hours old, so i t will not be deleted and you would have 2 full backups intact, only the third successful full backup will delete the first one.

Hope this helps,
Itamar
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Re: Question about incremental backup behaviour

HughG_TMVSE
Hi Itamar,

thanks, that clarifies things.  I think it would be a good idea for you guys to update the page on incremental backup to explain that this is how it works, to avoid confusion.  The thing you're describing, I would call maybe "differential backup/copy", rather than "incremenetal".

As for backup strategy, in fact we have our server running on a VM, from which we take a replica/backup every night, at a different time from when the Artifactory backup runs.  So, we never need to do a full backup.

Regards,

Hugh Greene, Senior Software Developer
Toshiba Medical Visualization Systems Europe, Ltd
Bonnington Bond, 2 Anderson Place, Edinburgh EH6 5NP, UK
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From: itamarb [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 04 August 2014 18:45
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Artifactory-users] Question about incremental backup behaviour

Hi Hugh,

The incremental backup, as you suspected, deletes artifacts that no longer exist in Artifactory from the backup folder.
A full backup, opposed to an incremental one, stays complete once it is finished, and the next full backup simply creates another backup, you can of course set it up to keep only a specified number of complete backups.

The recommended setup is to set-up at least one incremental backup job (usually a daily one) and one full backup (usually a weekly backup), if you set the full backup as weekly, we recommend setting the retention period hours to more than 168 hours (1 week), this way, the first backup will be kept intact, and when the second one finishes, the first one will still not be 168 hours old, so i t will not be deleted and you would have 2 full backups intact, only the third successful full backup will delete the first one.

Hope this helps,
Itamar



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